Jim Loosli shared a link to the group: YAMAHA PICS/MODIFICATIONS.

  • Hands down, the best insurance policy you can add to your crankcase. We've been running ER in all our scooters for many years..... :-)

  • I have always been taught that because Motorcycles have a wet clutch You should not use anything with friction modifiers.

  • Sorry Will, but thats an old wise tale that's been beat to death. ER was designed, engineered and produced right here in ID. with motorcycles in mind. Cyclists have been running it here for 20+ years. It has 0 effect on wet clutches

  • Q.Can ER be used with wet clutches?

    A. Yes. ER does not coat or plate surfaces and does not negatively affect fiber clutch disc, therefore it can be used in wet clutch applications commonly found in motorcycles, ATV’s and even automatic transmissions.

  • I have tried to do research on it... ton of negative and the only positive is the marketing material... I will stick with what has worked for me

  • Ha ha, that's why its the #1 additive for cyclists in Idaho, and sold in eee very parts house, cycle shop and dealer in the state. The only complain about it the common sense of a rock and shouldn't be allowed to touch a wrench.let alone ruin a scooter due to half ass work....

  • Ok... Lets ask some questions here but first lets point out that 2 smooth plates rubbing against each other will cause slippage ina wet clutch so here are some points they make on the webpage that you posted. 1- they say it does not coatthe metal inthe part about the motorcycle... pretty convenient since inthe verynext statement it contradicts itself by saying ER is designed to modify the rough surface of ferrous (iron) metals thus making them smoother... or how about this statement by them Either the Pin k& Block Test or the STM-2782 Timken Bearing Test will give conclusive evidence of ER’s ability to truly condition metal, especially when you wipe the metal surface dry and run bare steel to steel with no lubrications... That makesmethinkto myself "If this product is carried by the oil thenwhenI drainthe oil it would be gone UNLESS it coats the metal"... If I can easily come up with contradicting statements fromthier own website... Well I wiill stand by my original statement and stick to what works for me

  • Close but no cigar Will :-P . your getting ahead of yourself here, there is no contradiction because your not running metal clutch plates. Clutch's don't make metal to metal contact or they wouldn't work. That's why they're Organic plates. ER does not affect non ferrous Organic material. My family myself included have been running ER for 20 years. My uncle educated me about running ER when he gave me my first scooter back in 1988' - 1989'. He was No slouch to scooters. He retired President of Outlaws 1% MC. Chicago IL. Chapter. After he retired, he started the last chance nomads MC. Here in Nampa, ID & bought Cycle salvage from Dayle Stucker when he retired. Cycle salvage was also a volume dealer of ER. I am not Joe blow blowing sunshine. I have all the references & years of personal use I need :-)

  • Then explain how an item that is suspended in oil. .. does not coat the metal. .. and it's only activated by heat. .. can brag about an engine working AFTER the oil is drained. Also please explain how this will not affect the steel plates. ... and if you are going to say they are not Iron (ferrous) then please list the parts of the engine that are iron. As far as references I would invite you to show one study (not conducted by the manufacturer) that contradicts what dynojet found in their study. As far as personal use. . I have been riding since 86.... built 6.... around a garage since I was 5.... in the car business for over 10 years. .... and never heard anyone recommended this product. No mechanics. .. and no manufacturer

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